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			''From the UBC Wiki'' <ref>* ''UBC Wiki''. ''University of British Columbia''. Updated January 10, 2011‎, 18:20 UTC‎. <br>Available from https://wiki.ubc.ca/index.php?title=Help:Talk_pages&oldid=68845. Internet. Retrieved October 27, 2013.</ref>

	Every wiki page has an associated talk page, which can be used for discussion and communicating with other users. Talk pages can be accessed by clicking the “{{lcfirst:{{int:talk}}}}” [[Help:Navigation#Page tabs\|tab]] at the top of the page. Simply edit the page as normal to add your comment.		Every wiki page has an associated talk page, which can be used for discussion and communicating with other users. Talk pages can be accessed by clicking the “{{lcfirst:{{int:talk}}}}” [[Help:Navigation#Page tabs\|tab]] at the top of the page. Simply edit the page as normal to add your comment.
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	Note that the messages are not private, and others can join in the conversation		Note that the messages are not private, and others can join in the conversation

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	Every ~~UBC Wiki~~ page has an associated talk page which can be used for discussion and communicating with other users. Talk pages can be accessed by clicking the “{{lcfirst:{{int:talk}}}}” [[Help:Navigation#Page tabs\|tab]] at the top of the page.

			Every wiki page has an associated talk page, which can be used for discussion and communicating with other users. Talk pages can be accessed by clicking the “{{lcfirst:{{int:talk}}}}” [[Help:Navigation#Page tabs\|tab]] at the top of the page. Simply edit the page as normal to add your comment.

			A talk page is actually very similar to any other wiki page, but it is in the “{{ns:1}}” namespace, to keep it separate from the articles in the “{{int:blanknamespace}}” namespace (See [[Help:namespaces]].) As with any wiki page, you can edit it, link to it, and view the editing history.

	== Editing conventions on talk pages ==		== Editing conventions on talk pages ==

	~~As of 2011, the UBC Wiki is using~~ a ~~threaded "forum~~-~~style" format for~~ the ~~discussion pages~~. ~~To start a new thread, click on~~ the "Start a new discussion~~" link~~. ~~To reply to a previous comment, simply click on~~ the ~~"add a reply" link in~~ the ~~appropriate thread~~.		Having discussions on a free-form wiki page will seem strange at first. It helps if everyone follows some simple editing conventions:

			* Always sign your name after your comments. Use the four tildes “<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>” wiki syntax (or the signature button [[File:Insert-signature.png\|text-bottom\|link=\|signature button]] in the toolbar above the editing textbox).
			* Start a new discussion with a <code><nowiki>==level 2 heading==</nowiki></code> at the bottom of the page (or use the “{{lcfirst:{{int:addsection}}}}” tab).
			* Indent replies with colons (<code>:</code>) at the beginning of the line.

	=== Example ===		=== Example ===
	~~Here is an example discussion page. Note the "start a new discussion link" at the top and the "add a reply" link below the last comment :~~

	[[~~Image~~:~~Talk~~ page.~~png~~\|~~900px~~\|border]]		Here is an example discussion, following the talk page conventions:

			{\| class="wikitable"
			!style="width:50%" \|Wiki text
			!style="width:50%" \|Rendered talk page
			\|-
			\|
			<tt><nowiki>== More spiders information needed ==</nowiki></tt><br/>
			<tt><nowiki>This page has a lot of detail about the web, but I really dont understand a single word of it, and it doesn't mention the spider once -- [[User:Example\|Bob Smith]] 18:07, 26 August 1991 (UTC)</nowiki></tt><br/>
			<tt><nowiki>: No no. This page is talking about the "world wide web". I have added a clarification at the top - [[User:Example\|Simon Brown]] 11:21, 28 August 1991(UTC)</nowiki></tt><br/>
			<tt><nowiki>:: Oh I see... So what's the big deal about hyperlinked documents? Seems like a stupid idea to me. -- [[User:Example\|Bob Smith]] 14:11, 3 September 1991 (UTC)</nowiki></tt><br/>
			<tt><nowiki>::: Well I think we should have some information about it here on our wiki, but you're probably right. It'll never catch on. -- [[User:Example\|Simon Brown]] 21:55, 3 September 1991 (UTC)</nowiki></tt><br/>
			\|
			<div style="font-size: 150%; margin: 0; padding-top: .5em; padding-bottom: .17em; border-bottom: 1px solid #aaa;">More spiders information needed </div>
			This page has a lot of detail about the web, but I really dont understand a single word of it, and it doesn't mention the spider once -- [[User:Example\|Bob Smith]] 18:07, 26 August 1991 (UTC)
			: No no. This page is talking about the "world wide web". I have added a clarification at the top - [[User:Example\|Simon Brown]] 11:21, 28 August 1991(UTC)
			:: Oh I see... So what's the big deal about hyperlinked documents? Seems like a stupid idea to me. -- [[User:Example\|Bob Smith]] 14:11, 3 September 1991 (UTC)
			::: Well I think we should have some information about it here on our wiki, but you're probably right. It'll never catch on. -- [[User:Example\|Simon Brown]] 21:55, 3 September 1991 (UTC)
			\|}

	== Editing discussions ==		== Editing discussions ==
	When using a discussion page, you can either start a new thread or reply to a previous existing comment. Comments are formatted using the same mark-up as used on the rest of the site. See [[Help:Formatting]] for more information on how to do such things as add links or bold text to your comments.

	~~Your signature~~ is ~~automatically appended~~ to your comment.		Having discussions on a free-form wiki page will seem strange at first. It has some advantages over the conventional rigid forum format, but it can get a little messy. As with other wiki pages, anyone can help with tidying up discussions, to conform to the editing conventions, e.g., add signatures and headings where they are missing.
	~~[[File:Comment Editing Menu.png\|150px\|thumb\|The file comment menu]]~~
	;Modify ~~or edit comments~~		Clearly we also have the opportunity to edit other people's comments. It is generally bad etiquette to modify somebody else's wording. (Better to just add your own comment with your corrections.) But it can be acceptable to ...
	:~~Under~~ the ~~comment editing menu (a drop down list that appears when you click on the "more" link next to a comment) you can edit, delete~~, ~~or move comments (for example, if you replied~~ to the ~~wrong thread)~~. Note that good descriptive headings become important when many discussions start to fill the page.
			;Modify discussion headings
			:Change wording or append words to the discussion headings, to better describe the topic of discussion. Note that good descriptive headings become important when many discussions start to fill the page.
	;Move discussions to a different page		;Move discussions to a different page
	:If discussions are put in the wrong place on the wiki, and are better associated with different talk page, then you could just move the discussion by cut & paste. This is potentially confusing, for the people posting, but can be important for keeping things tidy. You could leave the discussion in the wrong place for a few days/weeks grace before tidying it. You could leave a link behind explaining that a discussion was moved, or if not, you should link within the edit summary.		:If discussions are put in the wrong place on the wiki, and are better associated with different talk page, then you could just move the discussion by cut & paste. This is potentially confusing, for the people posting, but can be important for keeping things tidy. You could leave the discussion in the wrong place for a few days/weeks grace before tidying it. You could leave a link behind explaining that a discussion was moved, or if not, you should link within the edit summary.
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	:Discussions can often get left lying around on a talk page long after the issue is no longer relevant. It's usually a good idea to reply to saying "I think this is now resolved", but sooner or later it's time to just blow away the old discussions (they are of course preserved in the editing history).		:Discussions can often get left lying around on a talk page long after the issue is no longer relevant. It's usually a good idea to reply to saying "I think this is now resolved", but sooner or later it's time to just blow away the old discussions (they are of course preserved in the editing history).
	;Split a post into several discussions		;Split a post into several discussions
	:It may be appropriate to do this, if somebody has raised several points ~~which~~ need to be answered separately. However you should always be respectful to other people's words. Does their post still make sense if you split it up?		:It may be appropriate to do this, if somebody has raised several points that need to be answered separately. However, you should always be respectful of other people's words. Does their post still make sense if you split it up?

	== Building ~~articles~~ - Discussing articles ==		== Building articles - Discussing articles ==
	It is usually best to keep focused on the task of building a wiki article, and use discussion pages only to support this process. The topic of conversation should generally revolve around what needs to be done to make the associated article better. Remember that editing the article itself is often a more effective means of communicating. It can be more difficult, requiring you to balance your views alongside those of others, but it can also be more rewarding. This is how the community of wiki editors will make progress. Often it will feel more natural to engage in heated debate on a talk page (or indeed any other contact channel) but in fact the wiki article itself can offer a powerful means of reaching middle-ground. Think about how to portray both sides of the argument (e.g. listing advantages and disadvantages) and you may find the debate evaporates.
			It is usually best to keep focused on the task of building a wiki article, and use discussion pages only to support this process. The topic of conversation should generally revolve around what needs to be done to make the associated article better. Remember that editing the article itself is often a more effective means of communicating. It can be more difficult, requiring you to balance your views alongside those of others, but it can also be more rewarding. This is how the community of wiki editors will make progress. Often it will feel more natural to engage in heated debate on a talk page (or indeed any other contact channel) but in fact the wiki article itself can offer a powerful means of reaching middle-ground. Think about how to portray both sides of the argument (e.g., listing advantages and disadvantages) and you may find the debate evaporates.

	== User talk pages ==		== User talk pages ==
	~~A "{{ns:3}} page" is a talk page associated with somebody's "{{ns:2}} page" (See [[Help:User page]]). This is a place to leave messages for a particular wiki user.~~

	This can function as a kind of messaging system. Users receive a prominent notification when new messages have been left on their talk page~~. They may be notified by email as well, although this cannot always~~ be relied upon (since the email notification feature must be activated by supplying a valid email address, and clicking a confirmation link). If you don't get a response to your user talk page message, try looking for other contact details which they may have supplied on their ~~user~~ page.		A "{{ns:3}} page" is a talk page associated with somebody's "{{ns:2}} page" (See [[Help:User page]].) This is a place to leave messages for a particular wiki user.

			This can function as a kind of messaging system. Users receive the following prominent notification when new messages have been left on their talk page:

			<div class="usermessage plainlinks">{{int:youhavenewmessages\|[[{{ns:3}}:User\|<span style="color:#002bb8">{{int:newmessageslink}}</span>]]\|[{{fullurl:{{ns:3}}:User&diff=cur}} <span style="color:#002bb8">{{int:newmessagesdifflink}}</span>]}}</div>

			The message will continue to be displayed on all pages until users visit their talk page.

	~~Note that~~ the ~~messages are not private~~, and ~~others can join in the conversation~~.		They may be notified by email as well, although this cannot always be relied upon (since the email notification feature must be activated by supplying a valid email address, and clicking a confirmation link). If you don't get a response to your user talk page message, try looking for other contact details that they may have supplied on their user page.

			Note that the messages are not private, and others can join in the conversation

	{{Languages\|Help:Talk pages}}		{{Languages\|Help:Talk pages}}
	[[Category:Help]]		[[Category:Help]]

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Every UBC Wiki page has an associated talk page which can be used for discussion and communicating with other users. Talk pages can be accessed by clicking the “{{lcfirst:{{int:talk}}}}” [[Help:Navigation#Page tabs|tab]] at the top of the page.

== Editing conventions on talk pages ==

As of 2011, the UBC Wiki is using a threaded "forum-style" format for the discussion pages. To start a new thread, click on the "Start a new discussion" link. To reply to a previous comment, simply click on the "add a reply" link in the appropriate thread.

=== Example ===
Here is an example discussion page. Note the "start a new discussion link" at the top and the "add a reply" link below the last comment :

[[Image:Talk page.png|900px|border]]

== Editing discussions ==
When using a discussion page, you can either start a new thread or reply to a previous existing comment. Comments are formatted using the same mark-up as used on the rest of the site. See [[Help:Formatting]] for more information on how to do such things as add links or bold text to your comments.

Your signature is automatically appended to your comment.
[[File:Comment Editing Menu.png|150px|thumb|The file comment menu]]
;Modify or edit comments
:Under the comment editing menu (a drop down list that appears when you click on the "more" link next to a comment) you can edit, delete, or move comments (for example, if you replied to the wrong thread). Note that good descriptive headings become important when many discussions start to fill the page.
;Move discussions to a different page
:If discussions are put in the wrong place on the wiki, and are better associated with different talk page, then you could just move the discussion by cut & paste. This is potentially confusing, for the people posting, but can be important for keeping things tidy. You could leave the discussion in the wrong place for a few days/weeks grace before tidying it. You could leave a link behind explaining that a discussion was moved, or if not, you should link within the edit summary.
;Delete discussions when they are out-of-date
:Discussions can often get left lying around on a talk page long after the issue is no longer relevant. It's usually a good idea to reply to saying "I think this is now resolved", but sooner or later it's time to just blow away the old discussions (they are of course preserved in the editing history).
;Split a post into several discussions
:It may be appropriate to do this, if somebody has raised several points which need to be answered separately. However you should always be respectful to other people's words. Does their post still make sense if you split it up?

== Building articles - Discussing articles ==
It is usually best to keep focused on the task of building a wiki article, and use discussion pages only to support this process. The topic of conversation should generally revolve around what needs to be done to make the associated article better. Remember that editing the article itself is often a more effective means of communicating. It can be more difficult, requiring you to balance your views alongside those of others, but it can also be more rewarding. This is how the community of wiki editors will make progress. Often it will feel more natural to engage in heated debate on a talk page (or indeed any other contact channel) but in fact the wiki article itself can offer a powerful means of reaching middle-ground. Think about how to portray both sides of the argument (e.g. listing advantages and disadvantages) and you may find the debate evaporates.

== User talk pages ==
A "{{ns:3}} page" is a talk page associated with somebody's "{{ns:2}} page" (See [[Help:User page]]). This is a place to leave messages for a particular wiki user.

This can function as a kind of messaging system. Users receive a prominent notification when new messages have been left on their talk page. They may be notified by email as well, although this cannot always be relied upon (since the email notification feature must be activated by supplying a valid email address, and clicking a confirmation link). If you don't get a response to your user talk page message, try looking for other contact details which they may have supplied on their user page.

Note that the messages are not private, and others can join in the conversation.

{{Languages|Help:Talk pages}}
[[Category:Help]]